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Hosts: Ed Jones (Owner – Nutrition World) & Clint Powell
A variety of topics all related to living a healthy life
Presented by: Nutrition World
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Broadcasting from the Nooga Dentistry Studio
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Title: All about Spike Proteins with Dr. Glenn, Beyond Cholesterol & Better Heart Testing with Dr. Dearing
[0:00:00] – Intro: Brian Johnson, Longevity & Oxalates + Farmers Market
Light banter about:
Ed coining the term “peak span” and using it in interviews.
Ed’s social media success (8.3 million views in 90 days).
Joking about Ed doing a shirtless video and his bodybuilding competition and carb loading.
Ed talks about Brian Johnson (longevity guru who spends ~$2M/year trying to live to 120):
Johnson recently announced an autoimmune condition where his stomach is “eating its own stomach.”
Ed admires his data and “Blueprint” protocol but believes two key factors in Johnson’s regimen contributed to this issue.
Ed teases that one factor is excess oxalate-rich foods; the other factor is left as a teaser for Ed’s social media video.
Ed announces a weekly farmers market at Nutrition World:
Every Wednesday, inside the store, morning to mid-afternoon.
Run by a young family with clean farming practices and minimal chemicals.
Nutrition World does not profit from it; framed as a service to the community and support for small farmers.
[0:05:04] – Upcoming Guests, Ed’s E‑Books & Podcasts
Ed previews two interviews for this episode:
Dr. Glenn – testing and managing spike proteins.
Dr. Curt Dearing – discussing his new book “Beyond Cholesterol” and non-traditional views on cardiovascular risk.
Ed’s e‑books:
Six e‑books available on theholisticnavigator.com, including:
Quality sleep
Oxalates and pain
“Are You Sick and Tired?” (diet & overall health)
Oral health
Immune system
“Core Four” foundational supplements
Podcasts:
Ed mentions his Holistic Navigator podcast
Clint promotes Nooga Podcasts (noogapodcasts.com) – a network of 20+ podcasts.
[0:09:26] – Interview with Dr. Glenn: What Are Spike Proteins & Why They Matter
Dr. Glenn defines spike proteins:
Discovered in the 1960s, normally part of viruses from nature.
Our immune system usually recognizes and dissolves natural spike proteins.
For COVID-era, lab-made spike proteins:
They are not recognized properly by the body.
They can persist and are not efficiently eliminated.
Mechanism (simplified):
Spike proteins interact with ACE2 receptors (“locks” on the cell door).
They unlock and open the cell doors, enter the cells, and damage/destroy cells from the inside.
Clint notes he never heard the term “spike protein” before COVID; Dr. Glenn explains:
Previously, they weren’t an issue because the body just handled them.
This is the first time in history we’ve dealt with lab-made spike proteins at scale.
Dr. Glenn stresses this is not simply vaccinated vs. unvaccinated:
mRNA vaccines were designed to produce spike proteins.
But unvaccinated people with bad cases of COVID can also carry very high spike levels.
His personal story:
Got severe COVID in Jan 2020, pre-official naming:
2 weeks very ill on couch/bed.
3 months to feel “recovered,” but that was just the start of long-term issues.
Over the next 3+ years, progressive cellular damage accumulated, leading to a broad set of symptoms.
Dr. Glenn’s symptoms when spikes were very high:
Whites of eyes turned gray, with burning eyes all day (constant eye drops).
Tinnitus (ringing in ears).
Cyclical rashes under armpits.
Burning nerves in quads; needed leg massage devices nightly to sleep.
Gout attacks (kidneys not handling uric acid well).
Venous congestion in lower left leg.
Severe fatigue, getting sick frequently despite doing everything “right.”
Developed endocarditis (inflammation of heart and valves); resting heart rate jumped from 55–60 to 80–105.
Subtle Bell’s palsy–type weakness on left side of face and brain symptoms.
Laboratory findings:
Test: SARS‑CoV‑2 spike protein antibody test (semi-quantitative).
Thresholds:
1000: likely too high, potential cell damage.
5000: “a whole other level of danger.”
His highest result: 11,694 (measured around Oct 28, 2023).
Progress over four tests:
11,694 → 11,087 → ~9,950 → 8,905 (as of June 30, current year).
Many symptoms have significantly improved, though:
Heart rate better but not back to baseline.
Tinnitus persists.
Spike level is still high, so work remains.
Symptoms can vary dramatically from person to person:
Because spikes can enter different “doors” (cells/tissues) in different bodies.
One person’s profile may be mostly neurological; another’s cardiovascular, etc.
Dr. Glenn’s clinic policy:
He will not work with someone on issues like hormones, gut, or cognitive problems without a spike antibody test, because:
Otherwise they may be “paddling upstream” against ongoing spike-related damage.
Observation:
Many patients say: “My doctor says my bloodwork is fine,” yet they feel terrible.
Conventional doctors rarely order spike protein antibody tests
[0:23:01] – Managing High Spike Proteins: Testing, Risk & Protocol
Who Should Test & How:
Ed notes frequent COVID infections (he’s had it six times) and that many people have unexplained symptoms.
Both Ed and Dr. Glenn suggest:
Spike antibody testing should be considered for anyone with mysterious chronic symptoms, regardless of age or vaccination status.
Testing can be done through labs like Be Well Labs (which Nutrition World works with) or other local options.
Reference values:
< 0.08 means essentially no exposure to COVID.
Out of ~130 tests Dr. Glenn has reviewed, only one person was <0.08.
Dr. Glenn cites data from cases where high spike levels were associated with death:
~49% of these involved sudden heart attacks.
~17% liver failure.
~11% respiratory failure.
~7% multiple organ failure.
Core Supplement Protocol for Spike Detox:
“Ultimate Spike Detox”:
Nattokinase – primary for dissolving spike proteins.
Bromelain – helps with clotting issues linked to spikes.
Dandelion, turmeric, and other supportive nutrients.
Must be taken 1 hour before meals or 2 hours after, so enzymes aren’t “used up” digesting food.
Additional supplements Dr. Glenn uses personally:
Ultra NAC (enhanced NAC):
Targets liver function, immune support, and mitochondria together; he feels plain NAC alone is less comprehensive.
Healthy Heart:
For heart muscle contraction/relaxation and reducing cardiac stress.
Mind Lift:
For brain function and facial nerve support (Bell’s palsy‑like symptoms).
D‑ribose, Hawthorn, Hibiscus:
Additional cardiovascular support to improve energy production and heart resilience.
Lifestyle & Detox Strategies approaches Dr. Glenn recommends:
Epsom salt baths.
Saunas and steam rooms (he has a steam room at home).
Exercise and perspiration.
Rebounding (mini‑trampoline).
Dry skin brushing.
Castor oil packs over the liver.
All aimed at:
Supporting detoxification pathways.
Improving circulation and lymphatic flow.
[0:32:01] – Interview with Dr. Curt Dearing: Beyond Cholesterol & Better Heart Testing
Dr. Curt Dearing (the “Green Pharmacist”) appears regularly on the show and now has a new book:
Title: Beyond Cholesterol: The Ultimate Cardiovascular Testing and Natural Supplements for Heart Health
Available in paperback on Amazon (working on a Kindle edition).
Reached #18 in the “vitamins and supplements” category for new releases.
Origin story:
Initially tried to write a large book comparing “green pharmacy vs. big pharma”; stalled out.
Decided to narrow scope to a single focused topic – cholesterol and advanced testing – producing a 48–50 page, concise guide.
Purpose:
Explain why standard lipid panels are inadequate for understanding real cardiovascular risk.
Show which advanced tests to request and how to interpret them.
Provide natural supplement strategies for heart health.
Ed and Dr. Dearing challenge the idea that cholesterol itself is inherently “bad.”
Key functions of cholesterol:
Essential for cell membranes.
Precursor for hormones and vitamin D.
Critical for brain function, stress response, and energy.
Damage occurs when:
Inflammation and oxidative stress damage lipoproteins, especially LDL.
Poor diet and lifestyle transform helpful lipoproteins into harmful small, dense particles.
Fireman analogy:
LDL often blamed simply because it’s present at plaque sites—like blaming firefighters for being at a fire.
The real issue is damaged, oxidized lipoproteins, not the presence of LDL itself.
The book and discussion review statins benefits, risks, and overuse
Common side effects of statins:
Muscle pain (linked to elevated CPK).
Memory and neurological issues.
Metabolic effects (e.g., ~10% elevation in blood sugar).
Historical context:
When statins first appeared, pharmacists/doctors were urged to warn patients about muscle pain and tell them to stop immediately and call their doctor if it occurred.
Dr. Dearing notes that in the last 10–15 years, he rarely hears this warning emphasized anymore.
Serious consequences:
Persistently high CPK can lead to rhabdomyolysis, which can cause severe kidney damage and be fatal if ignored.
[0:43:12] – Advanced Cardiovascular Testing & Calcium Scoring
Dr. Dearing outlines tests he covers in the book:
ApoB – counts atherogenic particles; a key risk marker.
Lp(a) – largely genetic; important to measure at least once in life.
LDL particle number (LDL‑P) and particle size:
Large, fluffy LDL – relatively benign.
Small, dense LDL – more likely to lodge in artery walls and be dangerous.
Inflammatory and metabolic markers included in advanced panels.
He compares several advanced lab panels:
Vibrant Wellness Cardio Zoomer, Cleveland Heart Lab, Boston Heart Diagnostics.
Explains in the book what each offers and in what situations each might be useful.
Takeaway:
Standard lipid profile (total cholesterol, LDL, HDL, triglycerides) is not enough.
Triglycerides can still be helpful, but LDL/HDL alone are often misleading.
Chapter 2 of the book focuses on CAC scoring:
What it measures: hard (calcified) plaque in coronary arteries.
Interpreting results:
Higher scores = more calcified plaque and higher risk.
However, CAC doesn’t see soft plaque, which is more likely to rupture and cause acute events.
Ed and Curt’s perspective:
A CAC of zero is a very reassuring sign that there is little to no hard plaque and, by implication, likely low soft plaque.
But a rising score over time (e.g., from 0 to 30 to 600+) is a serious warning if lifestyle is not changed.
[0:47:46] – Natural Supplements for Heart Health
Dr. Dearing’s key naturals discussed:
Omega‑3 fatty acids:
Likely the single most important everyday supplement for heart health.
Bergamot:
His personal favorite for improving lipids and lipoprotein patterns.
Often compares favorably to red yeast rice in his experience.
Red yeast rice:
The natural compound from which the first statin (lovastatin) was derived.
Offers similar lipid benefits with a better safety profile than synthetic statins.
Additional supports:
Plant sterols – help lower LDL by competing with cholesterol absorption.
Garlic – cardio-protective effects (blood pressure, lipids, inflammation).
CoQ10 – critical for mitochondrial energy and especially important if someone is on a statin.
Magnesium – supports vascular tone, rhythm, and overall cardiovascular health.
Broad antioxidants:
Vitamin E, selenium, resveratrol, vitamin C, etc.
Dr. Dearing discusses vitamin K2, especially MK‑7:
Role: Directs calcium out of arteries and soft tissues and moves calcium into bone, where it belongs.
Benefits:
Helps prevent and potentially reverse calcification (hardening) of arteries.
Protects organs from becoming calcified.
MK‑7 is longer acting, staying in the body longer and thus more effective for ongoing calcium management.
[0:54:13] – Closing Segment: Philosophy, Stoicism & Wrap‑Up
Ed shares a Stoic-inspired reflection:
Story from Molly Bloom about wealthy high-stakes poker clients:
Despite their status, she wouldn’t trade places—they were on a “hedonistic treadmill” and never satisfied.
Stoic quotes:
Seneca: poverty is not having too little, but wanting more.
Epictetus: ambition can be a form of slavery.
Ed’s takeaway:
True wealth is having enough self-acceptance, focusing on what you can control, and what actually matters.
Clint adds:
“You’re not wealthy until you have something money can’t buy.”
Reminds that the love of money (not money itself) is the root of issues
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