Jordan Schneider Thinks the Real AI Race Is About Compute, Not Models
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Episode: Jordan Schneider Thinks the Real AI Race Is About Compute, Not Models
Pub date: 2026-07-28
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In this episode of The Spillover, host Sebastian Mallaby sits down with Jordan Schneider, founder and editor-in-chief of the ChinaTalk podcast and newsletter, to discuss AI progress and security, as well as the U.S.-China AI rivalry.
Hosts:
Sebastian Mallaby, Paul A. Volcker Senior Fellow for International Economics, Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
Guest:
Jordan Schneider, Founder and Editor in Chief, ChinaTalk
Mentioned on the Episode:
Jordan Schneider, “ChinaTalk” podcast and newsletter
“DeepSeek: The Quiet Giant Leading China’s AI Race,” translation of Liang Wenfeng’s interview with Waves
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