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Olympic gold medalist Shawn Johnson East and former NFL player Andrew East join me for a conversation about marriage, conflict, ambition, and what it really takes to stay committed when life gets hard. We talk about the communication habits they’ve had to unlearn, the systems and check-ins that help keep their marriage strong, and why most people quit too early when things stop feeling easy. This episode is about learning how to grow through the uncomfortable parts instead of running from them—and why commitment might be the thing that gives life the most meaning.
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Buy their new book, The Courage to Commit
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/787062/the-courage-to-commit-by-shawn-johnson-and-andrew-east/
Leave me a voicemail to be featured on the show! https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/ask-jefferson
Join me on Supercast for ad-free episodes, bonus content, and AMAs: https://jefferson.supercast.com/
Order The Next Conversation Workbook: https://www.jeffersonfisher.com/workbook
Thank you to our sponsors:
Cozy Earth. Upgrade Your Every Day. Get 20% off at cozyearth.com/jefferson or use code JEFFERSON at check out.
Mill. Try risk-free for 90 days and get $75 off at https://www.mill.com/jefferson and use code JEFFERSON at checkout.
ZocDoc. https://zocdoc.com/jefferson to find and instantly book a doctor you love today.
BetterHelp. Click https://betterhelp.com/jeffersonfisher for a discount on your first month of therapy.
Order my book, The Next Conversation, or listen to the full audiobook today.
Like what you hear? Don’t forget to subscribe and leave a 5-star review!
Suggest a topic or ask a question for me to answer on the show!
Want a FREE communication tip each week? Click here to join my newsletter.
Join My School of Communication
Watch my podcast on YouTube
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