Episode 56 | Amanda Rae: Inside the Cult That Used Kids as Income Sources

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Jaden Jeffs (ex-FLDS) and Amanda Rae (ex-Kingston/“the Order”) discuss how their groups used control, forced labor, and shame to suppress individuality, empathy, and mental health, including dissociation, overanalyzing, and fear of “losing your mind.” They compare polygamy and incest normalization, describe how leaving can make early relationships unhealthy, and talk about reconnecting with the body through yoga, neurofeedback, and somatic healing. Amanda explains Kingston financial practices such as underage kids paying rent, pooled family accounts, and leadership control of members’ money, plus alleged fraud and “bleeding the beast” tactics to take government funds. They explore how denial and inability to process extreme abuse lets systems persist, reference Epstein-related discourse, and debate whether billionaires can have empathy and how power avoids accountability.

00:51 Podcast Intro and Guests
01:24 Healing After Cult Life
03:26 Overthinking and Neurofeedback
05:52 Dissociation and Reclaiming Self
08:04 Incest Normalized in Groups
10:38 Dating After Leaving
12:37 Cults Outside the Cult
15:34 Finding Home After Exit
17:42 Body Shame and Somatic Work
20:30 Men and Emotional Repression
23:55 Cruelty Learned in Childhood
30:21 Money Control and Slave Labor
32:06 Kingston Economy and Fraud
42:14 Power, Greed, and No Empathy
46:48 Favoritism and Control
47:20 Defining Religious Psychosis
49:02 Schizophrenia in a Bubble
50:39 Pedestals and Cult Loyalty
55:21 Depression as Sin
58:00 Neglect and Disability Stories
59:51 Mormon Roots and FLDS History
01:05:16 Money Systems and Cult Economics
01:11:01 Misunderstanding the Order
01:14:07 Epstein Files and Reality Shock
01:20:25 Can Power Be Stopped
01:22:20 Billionaires and Corruption
01:27:54 Playing Dirty to Win
01:29:38 Community and Closing Thanks

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