Living Mindfully

Living Mindfully


About this episode

Jon Kabat-Zinn helped kick off the American mindfulness movement with his bestselling book Wherever You Go, There You Are. On its 30th anniversary, he joins Sean for a wide-ranging conversation about what it means to be mindful in the attention economy, why mindfulness has skyrocketed in popularity, and how to think about the commercialization of an ancient practice.
Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area
Guest: Jon Kabat-Zinn, mindfulness pioneer and author of Wherever You Go, There You Are. Learn more about his work at and follow him at and

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Producer: Jon Ehrens 

Engineer: Patrick Boyd

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