From Summoning to Surveillance: The Hidden War with the Phenomenon
28 November 2025

From Summoning to Surveillance: The Hidden War with the Phenomenon

That UFO Podcast

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**Part 2 of 2**



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Andy welcomes Reed Summers back for an in-depth discussion on the strategic and existential implications of the UFO phenomenon. They examine the Age of Disclosure documentary, the evolving role of non-human intelligence, historical and modern UAP engagements, South American incidents, and the challenges surrounding governmental transparency.



The episode also explores citizen-driven detection efforts, political disclosure possibilities, and the influence of NHI on belief systems, technology, and global stability. A thoughtful and comprehensive look at one of the most complex issues of our time.



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